Yesterday I received a comment on my blog from Mia Freedman. I wanted to respond properly, and at length, so it has taken me a while. Unlike Ms Freedman, I don’t make any coin from my blogging, and as someone with parenting, study and some paid work to do as well, there was no question that I could do that immediately. This delay has been to the detriment of my already tarnished standing as far as Freedman and her supporters are concerned (it has not gone without comment on her blog) but that, I’m afraid, was out of my hands.
Freedman’s comment is below:
Hi Spilt Milk,
If you ever wanted to write a post explaining fat acceptance (FA?) then I would certainly consider publishing it on Mamamia.
It’s a movement I know little about and would be interested to understand it better.
My intention on yesterday’s post – as I repeatedly tried to explain – was never to generalise about overweight people but to highlight a newsworthy phenomenon of gainer blogs and Donna Simpson in particular.
You can contact me at info@mamamia.com.au if you’re interested.
Peace out.
What those of us who responded critically to her post Fat, fatter, fattest: meet the people who think bigger is better initially asked for was meaningful engagement, so I was pleased to see that she had stopped by Spilt Milk. (Incidentally, Freedman has since changed the title of her post to the far less inflammatory Gainer Blogs, which is a speedy back pedal if ever I saw one.) Subsequent exchanges, however, have led me to doubt whether what she sought here was meaningful engagement at all.
To be totally honest, I am disappointed. I think, if done in an appropriate way, a post and discussion about Fat Acceptance on Mamamia would be very helpful. Clearly, despite being a growing movement and closely aligned to body image advocacy, FA is a concept of which Freedman and many of her readers remain largely ignorant. Obviously, an opportunity to change that would be a positive thing. I felt immediately ambivalent about being the one to do a guest post, however, both because of my reservations about Mamamia, which I’ve discussed before, and my need to ration sanity points. In other words, there were commenters there who were rude to me personally and showed enormous prejudice against fat people generally, and I’m not sure that’s an environment I would want to contribute to. I did, nevertheless, keep an open mind. Open-mindedness is a position that has generally served me well.
Perhaps because of that, it has struck me that Mia Freedman is quite obviously not approaching Fat Acceptance with an open mind.
I accept that Freedman did not post her piece about Donna Simpson with the explicit intention of drawing fat-hating comments. And as I and others have repeatedly said: feederism is not something I condone, nor is it aligned with Fat Acceptance. But the reality is that hateful fat stereotypes applied to Donna Simpson are the same stereotypes applied to other fat people – people who are fat for a whole range of reasons. And beyond that, some commenters on her post did make generalised statements about fat people and obesity, a few engaging in quite lengthy justifications of this hatred along the lines of ‘tax payers dollars’ or ‘health care workers dread obese patients.’ That Mia Freedman, with all her years of experience in writing and publishing and all of her years of speaking about body image could read such comments and see no fat hatred at all is astounding to me. I know she’s an intelligent woman with critical thinking faculties so I am, literally, flummoxed by such a denial. It would have cost her nothing to accept that some of those comments were hurtful and denigrated fat in general, and to condemn the prejudices underpinning them, and thus forcefully distance herself from such attitudes.
Such an action: a display of empathy with those who feel maligned by the proliferation of fat-hatred all over the place, but especially at Mamamia, would have been powerful. Mia Freedman is the kind of role model that young women might look up to: she’s successful, smart and has an interesting career. As a body image advocate and someone concerned about the welfare of teenagers, she must know the hurtful impact that words can have. She must know that the fat girls reading her blog are vulnerable — painfully, dangerously vulnerable — to hating themselves when they read hatred directed towards obese people. I would be extremely surprised if Freedman didn’t care about those girls, but I am thoroughly convinced that she has done a very poor job of conveying that care.
And it is blatantly obvious that she cares not a jot about me, or about the Fat Acceptance movement that she claimed to be interested to “understand better.” Fat Acceptance is not three women sitting in a room plotting to bring down Mamamia: it is a huge, diverse, international movement. Within the movement are people of all sizes – but yes, a lot of us have in common that we are fat. We are fat, we are accustomed to very real discrimination on the grounds of our weight; we recognise that such discrimination is fed by myths and misconceptions about fat and health, and that underpinning it is a lot of fear and hatred. The movement includes successful and prolific writers like Kate Harding, health experts like Dr Linda Bacon, bloggers like Marianne Kirby (who has just featured on a Dr. Phil episode which is yet to air in Australia) and concerned members of the public, like me. Information about Fat Acceptance and the related concept of Health At Every Size is all over the internet and there’s a big ol’ shelf of books dedicated to it. For the Chair of the Body Image Advisory Group to be openly ignorant of the size acceptance movement is in itself a concern. In Freedman’s latest blog post, she distances herself even further from FA by calling those who have been critical of her recent work simply ‘the fat activists’ and also in centering her response around the misguided notion that our intention was mainly to defend feederism. I have personally made it perfectly clear to Freedman, over twitter, on her blog, and on my blog, that I am not in support of feederism (beyond an acceptance that people have a right to bodily autonomy). In continually reframing the discussion as one purely about Donna Simpson, I feel she’s being obtuse.
Freedman obviously feels attacked. That’s understandable. My intention was never to attack her, and I’ve no desire to cast aspersions on her personal character. I’m not surprised that she felt the Today, Tonight story was unbalanced — that’s to be expected from that type of programme. But her reporting on Donna Simpson and gainer blogs was hardly responsible or balanced! She didn’t do her research (admitting she knew ‘nothing’ about the gainer phenomenon, despite quite balanced articles like this being easily found with the magic of google) and she didn’t – despite her media experience – predict that her post might be interpreted as an invitation to hate on fatties. Perhaps that was a simple mistake. And perhaps, had she simply admitted that the “Fat, Fatter, Fattest” post displayed some poor judgement instead of nastily attacking those who criticised it, this would be a very different story.
I seriously doubt that Freedman’s offer of a potential guest posting spot on her blog still stands. Frankly, she’d probably be equally surprised if I still wanted to take it up.
This is a woman – a powerful and influential woman – who called me crazy. She also implied that I am dishonest, repeatedly claiming on her blog that only one or two of ‘the fat activists’ had posted criticism of her under multiple names, which is an accusation completely without foundation.* I don’t know everyone but I know that there were at least three FA bloggers posting on her site, at least two other concerned people who support FA that I personally am aware of, and also several other regular Mamamia commenters who accepted that what I and some others were saying was reasonable criticism. To blithely make statements erasing all of those people as if they never existed is, frankly, offensive. To delete the comments of posters who tried defending themselves against accusations of dishonesty is not a positive way to contribute to peace-making. Ms Freedman is fond of saying “peace out”, but in this case she’s not been fond of compromises, humility or in a few instances even a fair go, and that makes the peace process a little difficult.
Here is the bare face of it: I’m a fat woman, with a loud voice. I used that voice (independently, there was no carefully mobilised attack force here!) to express my concern about whether the commentary on the blog of a body image advocate was appropriate. I didn’t expect that I would necessarily be handed the floor. But I also didn’t expect to be personally attacked and to have my integrity called into question. I am a person with a mental illness, and although that illness doesn’t prevent me from being reasonable and articulate (I hope!) it does make me feel anxious and vulnerable. Especially when people call me crazy like it’s a joke. Especially when I am silenced for speaking my truth.
My truth is that I am a fat woman who has to walk out of my front door tomorrow into a world where, if the comments on some of Mamamia’s posts are to go by, I will be deemed selfish and lazy and hideous. My truth is that I was once a girl who was teased about her weight, and I have a daughter who will face a world full of body prejudice soon enough. My truth is that when I think about all the young fat girls who feel that they are disgusting and unlovable, I feel overwhelming sadness. My truth is that I know that what those girls need to hear from someone they look up to — someone who advises the government on how best to protect their self esteem — is that they matter and they are not disgusting and they have been heard. And my truth is that I don’t think, after all that has happened, that Mia Freedman is listening.
If that truly changes, I’ll peace out.
- I think it’s really important to note that no one is asking for Mia Freedman to be ‘sacked’, as was suggested on the Today Tonight piece. This isn’t, once more with feeling, about attacking someone’s character or livelihood. There is a good clarification of that here.


I read this and cried.
I am forever a supporter of yours. You are one of the most beautiful people I know. This post is what fat acceptance is about. I for one (as someone who is not fat) am very very proud to support this movement and the people in it.
Peace and LOVE
(WTF does Peace Out mean anyway??)
This is a beautiful, reasoned piece of writing. Kudos to you for staying classy and getting to the heart of it.
*hugs*
Bri
*hug* This is so crazy. I hope Ms Freedman reads this posts and starts to actually think about what she’s done and at least considers apologising and going forward with more kindness and compassion than she started this with. I also hope people who know her in real life hold her accountable for the way she has handled this.
(Good luck with the trolls and single minded attack dogs.)
Just wanted to day that no one ever inferred or stated that the 4 names and 1 person was you. We know who that person is and we have dealt with it. No one has publically suggested that you are not honest. Again you are reading into things. And again you are seeing things that are just not there
Thank you for the clarification Lana.
Here is what Mia stated on her blog: “There are one or two commenters posting below under many different names. We can see this in the back end of the site. So while it may seem there are many people in agreement that this post is outrageous, it is in fact just one or two people agreeing with themselves. Still, I’ve chosen to allow their comments to remain. Interestingly, the comment I have attempted to post on their blog, inviting them to do a guest post on the subject of fat acceptance has been deleted. I’m just saying.”
Given that Mia follows up her comment about posters using multiple names with ‘their blog’, referring to my blog, I don’t think it was ‘reading into things’ to assume that she may have been speaking about me. I knew that it was possible she was talking about one of the other FA bloggers on there… but in any case, since it was not clear, and since I was commenting prominently on her post, those accusations were likely to tar me with whatever brush was being wielded. With comments closed, there was no allowance for anyone to defend themselves. Not exactly fair.
You admit in your own blog post that you posted, unintentionally, under TWO different names so stop crying innocent.
Hi K.
I’ve removed that from the main post because Lana has clarified that it wasn’t me accused of using multiple names, although I’m still quite vague on how it went from a claim of ‘one or two people agreeing with themselves’ to admitting that there was a single person who used multiple names.
Anyway, for clarity, I’ve reposted my disclaimer here under your comment rather than remove it from the post altogether, out of respect for my readers/commenters.
“*When I saw this accusation I was completely taken aback: I am an honest person, I was shocked that someone would publicly suggest otherwise. I revisited the comments thread and to my chagrin, I saw that one of my comments had gone through under ‘Anonymous’. One. It wasn’t deliberate (to be fair, Mamamia moderators have no way of knowing what my intentions were). It’s a comment I’ll happily stand by, as I have all of my others which were consistently made under ‘Spilt Milk’. If it were possible to edit my comment to reflect that it was me, I would. If it weren’t for a site glitch, it would not have happened, because I never typed the word ‘anonymous’ into the comment window and never wanted to post that way. But in any case – I am one person, that was one comment, and not one I tried to step away from. I’m stating this detail here because, obviously, honesty is important and things get murky quickly. How one accidental anonymous becomes ‘four different names’ I’ll never know. I’d welcome an explanation.”
Thank you for clarifying that.
As a regular reader of Mia’s blog I would really like you to write the guest post on Fat Acceptance. I think it would be an excellent way of having some good come out of this whole thing.
Beautifully put.
I have so much more I want to say to you, you wonderful, strong, genuine woman, but it’s late, it’s been a big, brain draining day and I’m about as articulate as my left shoe right now.
So I will just leave a bookmark comment and say:
A beautiful post by a beautiful soul. Your grace and dignity is inspirational.
Thank you.
Actually, I am reading and I am listening and I am learning. Always.
That is good to know.
For what it’s worth. Here is my 10c worth Mia.
I am a long time reader of Mamamia. I have seen a very obvious change in the nature of posts and the tone of comments in recent times. There seems to have been a greater emphasis on tabloid style posts and as a result, a definite change in the type of comments.
“Grandmother having grandson’s baby” is one example. Another would be “Married after 17 hours” and “Giving birth in chains”. And yet another, “The Hey Dad Scandal”. Whilst there is no doubt that these type of posts encourage heated debate (which translates into clicks of course) there seems to be a serious lack of informed, intelligent debate about the issues. In another words, I believe they are posted purely for shock value. This might be why someone remarked earlier on this week that Mamamia is getting more like “That’s Life” magazine.
So when you posted on “gainers” you must have realised that there would be an element of nastiness in the comments and that some commenters would not understand the difference between feederism/gainers and obesity. I believe many commenters didn’t even read your post they just lashed out at fat people being disgusting or a burden on the tax system etc. Nothing to do with what you were talking about, a woman engaging in fetish behaviour, an extreme.
You have seen the way things go on Mamamia at times. Conversations have increasingly turned nasty over the past 6 months or so. So much so that many regulars have stopped commenting altogether. A heated, unpleasant series of comments might bring clicks but it doesn’t build a nuturing environment. Yes, “Best and Worst” is great and the “Thank You” post is too. It just seems disingenuous to me when for the rest of the week there are some people on there ripping each other to shreds, making nasty comments and uniformed judgements and you allow that to happen.
It would have been obvious to regulars that there would be fat bashing in response to the “Gainer” post. Just like it was obvious that distressing comments would be made about the Hey Dad scandal. Discussions about certain celebrities, botox or tattoos frequently degenerate into personal attacks and unpleasant slanging matches. I know it’s tough to moderate these types of discussions and that’s why, in your position on the National Body Image Advisory Council it was really risky to your reputation to post on “gainers” and not make sure the conversation stayed on track. You set a poor tone with your post (which you acknowledged by changing elements of it during the day) and then you allowed it to go downhill.
Yes, it’s your blog and yes, it’s your choice to post whatever you want and respond to criticism however you want. It’s your choice to post on contentious topics and then allow the conversation to develop organically (eg: un-moderated). If you choose to do that though, you have to be prepared to wear the consequences.
I can completely understand why you would feel distressed about the events of the past few days
As far as the way you have been treated by TT and ACA, you wouldn’t expect them to present a balanced, accurate version of events. They didn’t. That is the nature of tabloid journalism. Like they say, lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
I appreciate your perspective Abby. I think it aptly demonstrates that we are not just a tiny group of extremists: there are reasonable criticisms to be made and reasonable ways to make them.
General comments about Mamamia or Freedman’s writing on topics other than body image are not entirely relevant here though. So again, another mod note for future commenters: I’d prefer that if you have a general comment about Mamamia that you take it up over there, where she will be able to respond appropriately.
Point taken Spilt Milk. I apologise. It was not my intention to side track the topic. I simply wanted to make the point that what has occurred is not the result of a single post being targetted by a group of activists.
As they say in the classics…peace out….
Oh Abby, Please post this on Mia’s site. This sums up exactly what a lot of people have been thinking for a long time
I agree with this whole heartedly Abby – if you read this would you mind emailing me ?
Oh please, c’mon!!!! You were offered what seems to be a reasonable peace offering from the Mamamia blog, and yet you still complain! Your argument has been lost in your blatent agenda.
You seem to think it’s a bad thing to have an agenda, Paula.
If one person approaches fat acceptance with an open mind, and does their own research on the issues, something good could come of this debacle.
Carmel, read my response below, no I don’t think its wrong to have an agenda. Just sad to see the main point of awareness get lost in a bitchfight that helps noone. Perhaps I didn;t get my point across in my anger last night.
Hi Paula. I don’t like the term ‘bitchfight’ – it’s used too often to belittle women, and in this context it implies that there is nothing reasonable being said on either side, which is simply untrue. But I’ve let your comment through (I’m just making a mod note.)
For what it is worth: I think it’s important that you have a look at the comment thread at Mamamia closely. I don’t believe that anyone talking about FA was in any way nasty or personal in that thread (or since, for that matter). Any perception of ‘bitchiness’ is not helpful to the debate and I agree it detracts from our purpose but I want to state very clearly that as far as I am concerned, I am not a ‘bitch’ and my writing is not ‘bitchy’.
Heh. I just saw Paula’s comment. Now I’m wondering what your blatent agenda is. If I had to guess it would be to foster acceptance and fight hate against fat people. Gee. How ironic. Perhaps if Paula read more of your blog and others like it she’d be off whining about something else. In other words, some people just don’t get it. Don’t let them get you down.
I have been to this site, and others like it, before this week. I am not “whinging”. My point is, if you really WANT to help further your cause, take up the offer to publish something over on Mia’s site. Surely the more coverage for this cause, the better and say what you want about her site, and I’m not a diehard fan, it gets a lot of web traffic and is mainstream.
I think it is sad that this whole thing has turned into something like a high school bitch fight with tit-for-tat accusations rather than helping anyone. So, thanks for your two cents, sassyCupcakes, this isme adding mine.
I believe that publishing something at Mia’s site will only invite more of the comments that we have seen on other posts over there. More of the disrespect, more of the fat hate, more of the bullying of fat people.
It’s not exactly a fat friendly environment over there.
When we blog in our own spaces, we don’t have to deal with that sort of crap. It’s OUR space, we make the rules, we choose what sort of security and commenting platform, and we can remove anyone who is hateful or disrespectful.
Nobody is under any obligation to open themselves up to the kind of abuse that crops up on Mama Mia. We’re also entitled to make our own choices and not be “challenged” into something if we choose not to.
Not one of the fat acceptance bloggers who were involved in asking Mia to adjust her attitude, tone and policies around body image have been engaged in “bitch fighting” – a derogatory term as it is. We have approached this as a debate nothing more.
You are dead right sleepydumpling.
I am willing to venture out of my space, however – if I wasn’t prepared to stick my neck out even amongst hostile fat-hatred I would never have commented at Mamamia in the first place. But given the distancing approach of Freedman’s latest post on this and the nature of the commments allowed to stand (I checked briefly, stopped when I got to ‘what’s worse? ACA or that fat acceptance even exists‘) I doubt that my views will be offered any airtime over there at the moment.
I’m going to ask that no further comments directing me to do this or that be made, okay? I think my position is pretty clear in my post, and as far as I am aware, nothing has happened which would make me wish to revise it.
Nice work Spilt Milk!
Not my scene, because I have the genetic luck of slimness (albeit changed a bit now in my forties, and two pregnancies, one with twins). I read some FA blogs, but don’t comment usually.
My sympathy, and support. I’ve been reading here for a few months, and enjoying what you have to say, and reading and enjoying Bri’s blog too. I’m so pleased that she has invited you to join her there.
Just to clarify… when I say, not my scene, I’m not intending to dismiss you, or Bri, or your excellent blogs. I mean only that I haven’t been around these parts much, so I don’t really know what is going on, but I do trust your integrity.
I have been quite…Wrapped up in trying to follow this whole thing. I am new to this whole scene, but I am slowly beginning to form an opinion.
While I respect you very much, as well as the FA movement, I feel you are attacking this Mia woman when she had genuinely not intended to be offensive. And that she’s gone so far as to offer you to write a guest piece for her blog to better inform herself and her readers, yet you denied to participate, is just very disappointing to me.
That being said, I do agree with you on many fronts. I just think you could cut the woman some slack.
I have to admit, I had no idea about the FA movement until a couple of days ago. I just knew that what Mia had posted didn’t feel right, so I jumped in.
I have been watching and reading your blog and I think you have absolutely covered the whole shebang in a very fair, balanced and logical way.
It’s just such a shame that Mia didn’t respond straight away in a more compassionate and less emotionally heightened way – it needn’t have come to this.
I’ll look forward to following your blog & learning more.
Good job Elizabeth. Bri says above exactly what I wanted to say – “This is a beautiful, reasoned piece of writing. Kudos to you for staying classy and getting to the heart of it.”
Though I got a smile out of the idea of FA being three fat women in a room, plotting to bring down Mia Freedman … I’m pretty sure the last time I was in a room with three fat women, we had more interesting things to talk about.
Like cleavage?
Actually the last time I was in a room with 4 fat women and 1 fat man that’s exactly what we talked about ..lol!!!
I’m going to repost a comment on my last post here, because I think it’s well worth reading. This is from Miriam Heddy:
“If you’re genuinely interested in understanding the Fat Acceptance and HAES movements better, you might try doing some independent research. Given your position and responsibilities in the realm of body acceptance and health, it really would behoove you to become familiar with the following, readily available texts on FA/HAES:
The Fat Studies Reader
by Sondra Solovay and Marilyn Wann
edited by Esther Rothblum
NYU Press (November 4, 2009)
0814776310
Fat Studies in the UK
edited by Corinna Tomrley Ann Kaloski Naylor
York, UK: Raw Nerve Books (July 2009)
ISBN 978-0-9553586-6-1
The Obesity Myth: Why America’s Obsession with Weight is Hazardous to Your Health
by Paul Campos
Gotham (May 3, 2004)
ISBN-10: 1592400663
Lessons from the Fat-o-sphere: Quit Dieting and Declare a Truce with Your Body
by Kate Harding
Perigee Trade; 1 edition (May 5, 2009)
ISBN-10: 0399534970
Health At Every Size
by Linda Bacon
BenBella Books; Second Edition edition (May 4, 2010)
ISBN-10: 1935618253
You might also find “FWD/Forward (feminists with disabilities for a way forward)”
a useful source for helping you understand why saying your critics must have had “a big bowl of crazy for breakfast,” is ableist and offensive and shows a lack of sensitivity about mental illness.
And while it’s good of you to offer Spilt Milk some space on your site to educate your readers about FA and HAES, one would hope that you would first take the initiative to educate yourself so that you would be fully prepared to moderate the comments such a column would engender.”
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Fabulous writing. I admire you dignity in the face of what is going on.
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Big Liberty has written a very intelligent post on why criticising ‘gainers’ is a slippery slope towards criticising all fat people. Check it out if you’re interested in another take on the issue.
Understanding Fat Acceptance is best done through your own research, as Miriam Heddy stated. That’s just common sense…if you truly want to understand something, you learn about it through various avenues and methods…..the most common one these days is Google. It takes copious amounts of reading and interacting with participants in the movement to fully understand all the nuances of FA. Add to that your own self-awareness of the stereotypes and actions that you possess, as well as actively listening and observing the words and actions of others in real world settings to find examples. One post from a single FA blogger does not teach you what FA is all about. Even one as obviously awesome as Spilt Milk is!
What disturbs me the most, is that a body image consultant has no clue what FA is. How is this possible that a blogger who most likely does SOME research on body image prior to posts has never run across a single link to an FA blog or article? Or is it that she just dismissed those links she saw because her own perspective is that no one would ever advocate for fatness?! How has she NEVER come across someone who has vowed never to diet again and instead learn to love themselves just as they are, for once in their lifetime? The odds are enormously against that.
My personal journey into the realm of FA took many months just to understand the fundamentals. Even after more than two years practicing FA, I struggle with body loathing and self acceptance….mainly because the media has so demonized anyone with a surplus of adipose tissue.
A post on MamaMia’s blog would certainly help her regular posters and blog visitors understand FA, but to expect a single post to explain to a leader in the body image field just what it is, seems lazy, naive, and downright irresponsible.
As someone who has known you for many many years in the real world, your integrity, honesty and inherent value as a wonderful, caring human being is never in question.
I just wanted to say that I know almost nothing about this, as I never read Mia’s blog (before today), I don’t watch crap like ACA or TT, and your blog is one of very few that I ever read.
Having said that, I just went and had a look at Mia’s blog, and read both the original post on ‘gainers’, and also a follow up post from yesterday. I must say I didn’t bother with the 900-odd comments on those posts, but I agree with Mia that there doesn’t appear to me to be anything hateful or vicious in the original post. (Though I gather this is not the case with the comments? )
Thus, assuming the offer is still open, I do hope you will reconsider doing a guest post on her blog… Your writing is clear and well reasoned, and your opinions on Fat Acceptance are worthy of a wider dissemination. Posting on a widely read blog like Mia’s is surely a great opportunity to increase public awareness of Fat Acceptance and Health at Every Size.
Be Brave!! Use that loud voice of yours to open people’s eyes!
xx T.A.
P.S.: Been meaning for a while to suggest that you have a look at this:
It’s a talk by Gary Taubes (part 1 of 10) about the causes of obesity, arguing strongly against the notion that gluttony and sloth are the causes of obesity. I thought it was really really interesting… Hope you do too!
Thanks for your work here, spiltmilk. I think the arguments you’ve made and the debate you have generated in these last 2 posts is precisely the kind of thoughtful policy work that is so clearly missing from the Body Image Advisory Group. The use of conventionally attractive, slim women (who have been rewarded for being so in their careers, alongside their individual hard work and achievement) to promote healthy body image (whatever the good intentions of the women in question) has struck me as a rather cruel joke from the beginning.
I also thank you spilt milk, after rereading through those hate filled or just plain ignorant comments I still cannot understand how mia cannot see how much of the comments on that gainers post were so hateful and insulting.
And then there was” the big bowl of crazy”…did you ever get an apology on that?
The coverage on television and newspaper just highlighted the bigotry out there. Mia obviously is feeling victimized here. Can she not translate that feeling of victimization into how people who live an obese life actually feel?
Surely we do not have to walk in someone’s shoes to empathize with them?
Great post.
I think the most unfortunate part of this situation, and the part that has probably made it most unable to simply be an interesting intellectual discussion and an exchange of information about size acceptance and the movement and the motivations behind it, as well as the complex issue of gainers, was that TT and ACA got involved… I can’t think of a single occasion where either of those programs has bought something worthwhile into public discussion.
I can kind of understand Mia’s reaction to the TT/ACA sledging… as a media professional, it’s extremely frustrating (and sometimes bewildering) to be misinterpreted.
I am no huge Mia fangirl or anything, but in fairness, the websites of large media organizations are packed with disgusting fat hate comments on every single article about the obesity crisis, and nobody has ever called TT or ACA over that.
There’s a great saying I heard in journo school: “your audience will always know more than you because it is bigger.”
So, hopefully this will spur Mia to learn more about the size and fat acceptance movement, which to be fair, is a relatively new concept in Australia.
But I also agree with your points.
So I guess I am on the fence on this one, but I’m definitely pro-size acceptance.
Great blog, by the way. I can’t believe I haven’t visited earlier! Been sidetracked over here in Indonesia.
Hi, thanks for stopping by. I’m glad to have found your blog too.
I certainly agree with you in part – although on the other hand, this is the first time ever that a show like TT has run a story that was pro-fat acceptance and where people like Dr Samantha Thomas were able to speak some wisdom re: the importance of considering actual fat people in body image work without that being swallowed in hype about how obesity will kill us all. This of course doesn’t mean that tabloid TV is suddenly a friend to FA, but it’s some sort of step forward. I think the question of whether the Body Image Advisory Group should have fat discrimination more prominently on its agenda needed to be asked. It’s not great that this had to happen by focusing on an individual but then, Freedman is the Chairperson and she is a media personality. It’d be great to see more balanced journalism covering FA issues though, I agree.
And as far as I know, no FA advocates called ACA/TT! They picked up the story from the paper and then sought comment.
Also, whilst large, newsy sites are often swimming in fat hate, those sites are not owned by someone who has a government-appointed role in body image advocacy.
Anyway, I hope that on-balance this will work out to be positive in some way, as those who appreciated that FA advocates were responding with reason in that comment thread will hopefully do their own research now.
Spilt Milk – I understand your perspective so much more now that I did last week when all of this happened. Thanks for posting on this and continuing the discussion. I think part of the problem is that these prejudices get buried so far in the cultural fabric that we don’t even know they are there.
Thanks Angie.
I think you’re right – hatred and fear (because a lot of it is fear, I think) of fat is so normalised that it can be hard to identify, especially if you’re not looking for it. I’m trying to show more empathy for those who are in that position of just not understanding, as I hope they will also show more empathy for me living this in my day to day life.
You are one of the bravest, straightest, most ‘together’ people i know online or offline. Did i forget to say strong? Strong, as well.
‘Together’ doesn’t mean having no emotional (or other) problems, it means dealing with them. Just as courage doesn’t mean feeling no fear, in fact for the fearless it’s impossible to be courageous. Your way of dealing with your own problems (such as mental illness) strikes me as one of the healthiest approaches to any kind of problem – face it, talk about it in order to defuse the instinctive feeling of shame, get out there and do what you need to/wish to/have to do, regardless of the problems. When someone hurts you, intentionally or unintentionally (the words of the Creed come to mind: through ignorance, through weakness, and through my own deliberate fault), you state how you feel and state what you would like them to do about it – that’s exactly what the anti-bullying league and the how-to-communicate advice would recommend. It is simple but not easy, it’s very hard and you do it all the time.
And if it helps, it never has occurred to me that you were being cynical in anything of yours that i’ve read. Definitely not hysterical. You are always utterly careful to be precise about what you mean, impossible to misinterpret if the reader only bothers to weigh all the detail and not just jump at a superficial impression of the gist.
I can’t go down all the comments here, but at risk of repeating someone else’s thought, if you can find the time and energy (and i DO know how much that costs) i think the guest post would be a good idea. Just as you have read Mamamia without being comfortable with its philosophy, doubtless others do and will do the same, and will come across your guest post and learn from it.
My 2p’s worth. I wish i could keep up with all the links you give and even all your own posts, and i know i haven’t been very conversational here, but i do read and am learning as well as approving. I searched for your comments on that post and you certainly weren’t offensive once.
There will always be the blindly intolerant, but alongside there will also always be those who talk the intolerant talk simply because they haven’t done all their learning and come into all their understanding yet. To those, it’s well worth continuing to explain.
{hugz}, and well done.
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I’m not fat. I fluctuate between 8-10, the most I’ve ever been is a 12. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for some of you. But I DO know the pain of looking in the mirror and feeling completely unlovable. I DO know what it’s like to be judged, ridiculed and rejected. AND I DO SUPPORT YOU. I love you, and think you are all beautiful and wonderful in you own unique ways. There is so much shallow content online and in magazines that poses as “positive” in regards to body image. The reality is, most of it is pretentious crap that makes the authors and readers feel better about themselves. It’s like when people recycle a few cans and then act as though they’re saving the world. All the best intentions may be there, but it’s not really achieving anything. Basically? It’s all a lot of hot air. Well done for standing up for us. And by “US” I mean every person on the planet who has been made to feel like an outsider just for being who God made them.